Dr. Angie Krause (00:00)
Welcome back to Tails of Truth where we tell the truth about veterinary medicine. I'm Dr. Angie, and this is my co-host and veterinary nurse extraordinaire, Jojo. And today we're recording our Friday morning catch up. So Jojo and I don't get to see each other or sometimes talk to each other that much throughout the week. And so when we come to record our podcasts, this is when we get to catch up. And so we thought this morning we would just record the catch up.

JoJo (00:15)
catch up.

Right? Because we started thinking about all of the things that we've seen this week. And like, we should just press record.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:32)
I mean, I have some things on my mind, things that I want to talk about. And one of them is that I had a vaccine reaction this week. And I had a a Boston Terrier, and middle aged. And in the record, it says previous vaccine reaction, but it wasn't at our clinic. And so I said, hey, do you want it? Should we split out the vaccines? What would you like to do?

JoJo (00:39)
Cat dog.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:53)
And I looked back in the record, Dog was due for distemper and rabies. And I looked back in the record and I was like, well, we've given them together before. I said, I'm really happy to split them up or if you want to give them together. Because a lot of people are like, I don't want to come back three times or multiple times. And they said, ⁓ let's just give them together. It's been fine in the past.

JoJo (01:13)
Wait, so they had them together before, so they don't know which one this dog reacted to the first time.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:19)
Well, I don't think we know which one the dog reacted to first because it was given in another clinic and it was when the dog was a puppy. And so you think.

JoJo (01:27)
Okay. so

this guardian didn't experience the reaction. ⁓

Dr. Angie Krause (01:32)
This Guardian did, but it was with

another clinic, so I didn't have any records and it hit like years and years ago. And so I said, okay, well, you whatever you want to do, I'm always down to split vaccines. I, it's really at the end of the day, same for me either way. It's just the people that are coming back and don't want to come back. And so, so we did them both together.

And during the visit, noticed that they were vaccinating their other dogs. They brought their other dog in. So I was doing two annual wellness exams for two dogs and they vaccinate their other dog for Lepto. And I was like, Hey, is there any reason you don't vaccinate, you know, both of them? And so we were talking about that and they're like, we don't know why. And so I was like, well, do you want to start? And they're like, yes, please. And I said, let's not add a third vaccine in today. It's since it's a new vaccine to this dog.

And so was like, why don't we just split it out by a week or two? And so we were going to do that. And so of course, we give the rabies into distemper And while I'm doing my exam for the second dog, the Boston Terrier vomits all over the exam room. I'm like, ⁓

So I immediately give the dog a cerenia injection, anti-nausea. And I was like, can you just stay here for a while? I just want you to stay. And she was like, I think we're OK. We're going to go home. And then an hour later, I get a call that our face is starting to swell. So I'm like, OK, come back. I know. So come back in. And I give this dog some.

JoJo (02:52)
Wow.

No.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:03)
injectable Benadryl. And I was like, just stay. was like, what are you doing for this afternoon? Can you just camp out here? So I just put her in an exam room and she was just doing work and we were checking on the dog. And anyways, so we did that and it helped a little bit. And then I ended up giving the dog some steroids because I just was like, ⁓ I'd like to see this a little bit better.

But I was talking to all the staff about how they've treated vaccine reactions in the past and one nurse who's extremely experienced and she said, you know, I mean, next time, we'll just pre-med them ahead of time. And I've always struggled with this idea that we're gonna see this kind of hypersensitivity reaction and that we're gonna do this again later.

JoJo (03:49)
Yeah, well, especially

not knowing which one so you definitely need to split them next time

Dr. Angie Krause (03:52)
I know.

Well, and is it is it one of them or is it just immune stimulation? Like is it any could it be any of them?

JoJo (04:00)
Right. Well,

if you're going to do the LEPTO, are you still going to do the LEPTO in a few weeks? ⁓

Dr. Angie Krause (04:05)
I don't want to. doubt, can't

imagine she's gonna want to do the leptospirosis after that. I can't imagine. Yeah.

JoJo (04:12)
Oh, that's hard.

That reminds me, if we're just talking about, we've had a lot of people reach out about, oh, my dog had a vaccine reaction, and then they want a letter to be able to go to daycare or that kind of thing. And I'm amazed at how many clinics are not reporting vaccine reactions. I'm like, make sure your vet reports that. And they're like, oh, that's a good idea. I probably should.

Dr. Angie Krause (04:33)
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

JoJo (04:38)
because

I don't think they did. And I wonder why that is. It's either it makes me feel they're either not believing people that it's a vaccine reaction or it's just so low on the priority list.

Dr. Angie Krause (04:48)
I think it's low on the priority list. I do report them. It might take me a week or two to get to it. So I have a post-it note on my desk to report it. But it takes a while. You have to have a while to do it. You have to open up a case. But I still do it. I think it's really important so that we can give people informed consent about how often we see vaccine reactions, which it's really truly not very often. And I also think that's why it's important that we report it so that we can see

In actuality, it's quite low. But it is important to report it, because then we can have some breed data. We can have data on which vaccines might be more prone. And I have to say, it used to be the Lepto vaccine. And I just don't see a lot of problems with Lepto anymore. I don't worry about vaccine reactions with that one as much. It used to be the one.

JoJo (05:37)
Well, I think they did

change something in the formulation, if you will, of the lept o I don't remember how many years ago. I think it was just a slight, something where it stings less at least.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:45)
Yeah.

Yeah, some dogs think it still stinks pretty good. Some dogs, most dogs, say nothing, but every once in a while there's a dog that's just like comes unglued and you're like, but you know, some dogs are very, very dramatic. I mean, I'm dramatic too. So I would be one of those dogs, but.

JoJo (05:52)
out.

Well, speaking of vaccines and dogs, a new study came out and I don't remember out of which country that some dogs may have autism spectrum disorders.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:17)
I believe it. I believe it.

JoJo (06:19)
Then of course the comments,

of course blame it on vaccines. But it's actually some kind of genetic mutation that is very similar to the genetic change in humans. And so it shows up in like sensory and overstimulation, anxiety. I don't know. That's interesting.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:33)
Yeah.

Yes.

As a

neurodivergent, I don't have an autism diagnosis, but as a neurodivergent myself, like I have sensory processing disorder, have ADHD. Um, like I was the kid that like had to cut all the tags out of my shirts and like was really upset by the seams in my socks. And then I went on to produce two children with very similar, very similar conditions. I see patients in my exam room all the time where I'm like,

I bet you have OCD or you are like, you have a sensory processing problem or you, I don't know. I swear I see dogs and I'm like, yeah, you have ADHD.

JoJo (07:18)
Well, didn't

we have a cat in the practice that they came in and said, my cat's been diagnosed with autism.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:26)
⁓ did they really? I mean, who's doing that? Who's doing that? We don't have any criteria. We don't have any diagnostic criteria. ⁓

JoJo (07:27)
Yeah, this is like four years ago. Yeah. like they came from Portland.

Portland, Oregon, which I've lived there so I can say, yeah, that a lot of things that we've not heard about yet, people want to believe it.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:37)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, why couldn't

they have that? I don't know what to do about it. Yeah. Yeah.

JoJo (07:48)
Oh, well they could. Sure.

I mean, I think we're just starting to name it in women. So we're not going to name it in cats and dogs for a while.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:57)
Right. And the good news is, is they don't have to do a lot of like executive functioning or, know, they don't have to keep their lives together or pay the bills or, you know, we do it for them. like, if you're, sometimes it's hard to live with, like I've definitely seen dogs and cats too that do like stimming behavior. Yeah. And you're like, that's just, you're trying to stimulate. Yeah. So.

JoJo (08:07)
All right,

⁓ yeah, that was one of them. Yes.

Interesting. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:25)
I believe

it. What we do about it, I don't know, but I am a huge fan, especially my patients with OCD. They get a lot of relief on an SSRI like Prozac. Like when they're doing repetitive behaviors, like we would count.

JoJo (08:38)
Well, the OCD,

is that reflected in some of those dogs and cats that chew their fur off in one area? Is that an OCD trait?

Dr. Angie Krause (08:47)
Well, okay, so the thought on that, at least for cats right now, is that we're shifting, that it's rarely a behavioral problem, and it's more of a dermatological problem like itch. So when we have Dr. Darin Dell back on our podcast talking about cats, we can talk to him about that. And so now I'm, the cats that are pulling their hair out, I'm going more towards dermatological reasons like their skin and less...

JoJo (09:02)
So excited. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:14)
of their mental health. But, you know, of course it can be anything, but we used to just assume like, they're stressed. And that was like our number one diagnosis. And then we would consider pain and digestive issues and all that. But I feel like dermatological reasons, it's always the last. But now it's like moving up.

JoJo (09:15)
Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

That'll be a great conversation

with Mieschelle too when she's on and what she's, yes, we have some good guests coming up. I don't know if Dr. Dell will be on before we post this or not, it should be, but I really enjoyed that conversation.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:34)
⁓ the Cat Behavior Clinic.

Yeah.

Will he be on? Okay, yeah.

Yes.

JoJo (09:48)
Dermatology made fun. Doesn't really sound like a fun topic. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, if you could go into a specialty, if you had gone into a specialty, what would it be dentistry?

Dr. Angie Krause (09:49)
I know, he's so fun. I love dermatology.

I, that's what I thought when I was first out. Yeah. The only thing is there was some of the oral surgery I didn't like. Like I didn't want to fix any broken jaws. Like the wiring of the jaws thing. was like, can someone else do that?

JoJo (10:09)
I quit.

Well, now they have

Dr. Angie Krause (10:16)
Jojo, I feel more behind with every passing day. Like I...

JoJo (10:20)
because there's

so much. Dr. Angie, it's a lot. And it's like, can't like read it all. So it's like headlines. There's new medicines. Like there's, there's new medicines all the time. Just constant new medicines.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:23)
I feel like I'm running so fast.

No.

I know.

Yes.

This is the year I feel like, and my license renews at the end of this year too. So it's like, have all this continuing education coming due. Same for you. ⁓ that's right. ⁓ my gosh. You're going to be doing continuing ed every night, but I'm like.

JoJo (10:43)
Mine's due in a month and I've done none. I am in so much trouble.

I thought it was

due in October and they're like, no, that's just your license. Your CE is due in May, which to me that's just, cause we have two regulating bodies in Colorado.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:00)
that's right.

Yeah. Okay. So it's not the same.

JoJo (11:04)
Yeah, I know I'm like, what do I want to take the CE on? But it's expensive for the good CE. yeah, this is how I found let's go into this. This is how I found I was looking for CE and I found that you do little nuggets up classes. I'm like, what is this Dr. Angie? Did you teach something on asthma?

Dr. Angie Krause (11:11)
Yeah.

⁓ yes, for animal wellness.

JoJo (11:29)
Yeah, I didn't know if you were gonna name it or what. But I was like, you're not even Dr. Angie on this.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:32)
Yeah, so I've been

Yeah, I reached out to them and they're fixing it. So I write articles for Animal Wellness and I've loved this publication. I've loved working for them. I mean, guess I don't work for them. They don't pay me to write these articles, but I've really enjoyed it. And they turned them in to little videos using AI. And Jojo came across one, I think maybe from some marketing material.

JoJo (12:01)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:02)
And you texted me while I was in the clinic. You're like, uh, what's going on here?

JoJo (12:05)
It says Angie

Krause, it doesn't even say Dr. Angie Krause. And you have to pay for it.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:08)
Yeah.

And it's just AI reading my article.

JoJo (12:13)
And aren't you like Angie Carrausa? Like, like if you see Book of Mormon, there's a song in there where they're like, Salta Laca City. And that's what it reminded me of. Angie Carrausa.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:16)
Yeah, they mispronounce my name.

Yeah, I just, yeah. So anyways, they're fixing that, but it caught me off guard because I didn't actually ever give them permission to use that information that way. I mean, guess technically it's not wrong, but it didn't paint me in the best light because it just had some weird AI robot voice reading a bio and then my article. so it was very strange.

It was very strange to find.

JoJo (12:56)
And medicine

changes so much, so the idea of moving something, an article from 2018 may not be relevant, as relevant today.

Dr. Angie Krause (13:04)
⁓ my gosh, well, that's our whole website. Think about how many blogs I've written.

JoJo (13:09)
⁓ my goodness, I know I'm finding our... Swimming through them. There's so much information out there.

Dr. Angie Krause (13:12)
We slowly try to update them.

Well, we've worried about that even on this podcast that like something I said a year ago now isn't going to be the right thing. But I mean, what are you going to do? There's just, we've put out so many episodes.

JoJo (13:23)
yeah.

I mean we could date them but

I also haven't been dating them. I don't know.

Dr. Angie Krause (13:33)
⁓ like when you, well, when you upload them, they're dated.

JoJo (13:36)
⁓ well on YouTube you can like time stamp it, but that also ages it. I don't know. Whatever.

Dr. Angie Krause (13:41)
Right, right.

I know we're trying. We're trying everyone. You're a veterinarian, your general practitioner is just like running. Sometimes when I see the specialist, I'm like, oh, the thought of just like knowing about eyes. Like I was talking to the ophthalmologist the other day about some weird autoimmune eye thing that I saw some myositis. And I just thought.

JoJo (13:56)
Hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:03)
my gosh, if I only just had to know about eyes, I'm not saying that her job is easy and I'm not saying that at all, but the, the idea to be able to focus in on just that feels so good. Cause it's like, okay, I'm behind on ophthalmology. Okay. There's new dermatology drugs out. Okay. And then cardiology, have some advancements in HCM and then, ⁓ wait, I just talked to the nephrologist.

And there was something I learned from the nephrologist that I realized like I had been thinking about cats and renal failure with infection all wrong. And I was like, okay, change that. We're just like on the treadmill running so fast.

JoJo (14:39)
Feline diabetes, like all of this changing. Yeah, it's.

so hard and you're probably getting clientele who sees this one symptom and they really go and dive deep and get really knowledgeable on this one topic. And sometimes clients will come in and present stuff and like, I've never heard of this because they've just been in that narrow scope of figuring it out. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (15:05)
Yeah. Yeah.

I saw a dog last night, well, at the end of the day, so it was like five o'clock, that had like cystine stones in their bladder. And I'm like, I've never seen that. Like, I'm sure I learned about it in school, but like, I haven't thought about that. We have like usually two different types of stones, maybe a third. And then, you know, there's, there's this really exotic case. And then, so we were looking up how to send the urine to

UC Davis' amino acid lab. so it's like you're just always trying to figure it out.

JoJo (15:41)
16

individual stones that were

Dr. Angie Krause (15:44)
No.

So did I, what did I say? Cystine ⁓ Cystine C-Y-S-T-I-N-E. I know I'm probably speaking really quickly. I didn't have to take them out. Yeah, so it was just like, ⁓ and so it'd been seen.

JoJo (15:46)
I thought you said 16 stones. Oh, oh, I thought you said 16. I'm like, what? Like, and you got to go home at five o'clock? Like, what? Like, what is happening? Okay.

you're saying it's a different

type of stone that you haven't seen. Gotcha. Yeah, was like 16 stones. I'm just sitting here and wondering where this story's going.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:05)
I've never seen it. Like, I've never managed this case.

You're

like, Angie why are you in an abdomen at 6 p.m.?

JoJo (16:14)
Yeah.

⁓

Dr. Angie Krause (16:15)
Yeah.

So anyways, I always feel like I'm, I'm behind, but I'm trying really, really hard, really hard to just stay up with everything. Cause I, I really want every case. I want to be managing it in the best way possible. Like I want every patient that I see to be getting like the latest and the greatest.

JoJo (16:36)
Yeah, that's why you have specialist.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:36)
tiring.

JoJo (16:38)
GPs really have it hard. I do think that. mean, one, you get paid less.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:43)
Yes.

Yes, that's true.

JoJo (16:46)
And you have a huge scope of disease processes in different species.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:53)
Yes, yes, a huge scope. Yeah, and then you're staying up to date. I'm doing it, which is why like veterinary medicine is never going to get old. It's just not. And that's my...

JoJo (17:04)
And why you're never gonna

get dementia, because your brain is gonna be firing all the time. I think so.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:08)
Is that what that means? Is this part of my dementia protection?

It's also come to my attention that I need to be strengthening my quadriceps and like building more muscle. And I had a friend who's like, why don't you put a kettlebell in your office? I'm like, I'm just working a lot right now. I'm just in a season in life where I'm working, but I'm also like, okay, I'm in my mid forties and I need to be building a ton of muscle. So now I need to be doing kettlebell swings while I'm like watching the CEs.

What?

JoJo (17:39)
my gosh.

Yeah, or you could just lift dogs. Techs will always be in shape. I saw they had scrubs now with knee pads built in.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:42)
I am.

I saw that too. That's

real. We have the little gardening, kneeling pads all over the clinic. Yesterday I had a dog that 155 pounds. I was like,

JoJo (17:51)
yeah, like the pads.

My gosh. In my head,

not only did I go my poor back, I also went their poor wallet.

Dr. Angie Krause (18:04)
I know, right? Every time you need an antibiotic for a dog that weighs 155 pounds.

JoJo (18:09)
Those are the ones that you have to call the pharmacy and like yes, I am approving two times the amount.

Dr. Angie Krause (18:14)
Hey

JoJo (18:15)
the struggle. Ugh, just heartworm prevention for a dog that size?

Dr. Angie Krause (18:15)
technically.

⁓ for the year. Hundreds, hundreds of dollars.

JoJo (18:20)
Yeah, so expensive. What

else? Do you have anything else? Somehow we did 20 minutes of just shooting this.

Dr. Angie Krause (18:25)
I know. Well, I feel like I've

mostly talked about me.

JoJo (18:30)
I don't think so.

Dr. Angie Krause (18:31)
What about you? Do you have anything fun and exciting? I I could go on. I could go on, but...

JoJo (18:35)
Well, I mean, can I show the dog I fell in love with? But I'm like, not ready. I'm not ready, but it was the first time I felt a little tug. Okay. Hopefully it doesn't, I'm like, there's no personal information on this, right? How cute is this puppy?

Dr. Angie Krause (18:39)
Yes.

Okay.

my God.

I want that dog.

How are you gonna

let that dog go? Who's, it's the Evergreen Animal Protective League, right? Yeah.

JoJo (18:59)
Yes, exactly.

I mean, oh, he's just so cute and he's 11 pounds at four and a half months. So he's what maybe, maybe max out at 20.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:03)
What if you just put an application? ⁓

I mean.

JoJo (19:11)
Maybe. He's like a little pocket pup with a little, I don't know, he's gotta be terrier and something.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:11)
he's so cute.

He's gonna be a terrorist and I love that about him already.

JoJo (19:19)
I said, said the marketing is really funny because they're like, he's so proud of himself when he pees outside. And I'm like, that means he's peeing inside. That is code for he's still wetting the bed.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:27)
Yeah.

He's still wetting

the bed. And he might wet the bed forever, because he doesn't care.

JoJo (19:36)
Yeah, but I

it was the first time that I sent a photo to the family and I'm like, heart tugs So cute because I can't decide if sage is Well, her anxiety is better. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell the truth about something. I started using CBD Twice a day we stock it we have it we promote it and it's like why don't I do this?

Dr. Angie Krause (19:42)
What did the family say?

JoJo (19:58)
along with her anti-anxiety meds and she, everybody's like, she's being calmer.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:04)
Yeah, it is pretty effective. Yeah.

JoJo (20:06)
Yeah,

pretty consistent. So I don't know. I don't know if she would be happier with another dog. She does not like other dogs.

But I think if they came into the home and they were smaller than her, and that's how Bodhi was too, and we brought her in and she was small, and he's like, whatever, she's cool.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:21)
Okay. Because they liked each other, right? Yeah.

JoJo (20:22)
So I don't know. yeah.

Yeah, but not quite ready, but that one, that one, was like, ⁓ cute.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:29)
That's really,

I would get that dog. I've had terrible dog fever. I mean, I don't need a dog. No, no, because I'm at war. I'm in the clinic all the time.

JoJo (20:33)
Yeah. Are you really going to do it?

No.

Yeah, and see, ⁓ I'm entering my travel era.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:42)
Yeah.

JoJo (20:43)
Like we booked a trip and I'm at the point of like I'm just gonna book trips and I'm not inviting my family. I'm inviting my family, but just hey we're going here you can come along if you want. But I'm not planning it like our last trip was like I'm not doing that again. Yeah, but I'm just yeah I'm gonna I'm like I can take I can work from anywhere at this point.

Dr. Angie Krause (20:54)
Nice.

Well that was a disaster. That trip was a disaster. Yeah.

You can.

JoJo (21:08)
So I need to start saying yes, but I found this trusted house sitters that you can sign up and you can go places and watch people's pets for them in exchange for their home. So like you can go to Costa Rica for two weeks in September and this home has like a negative edge pool overlooking the ocean. It's on four acres and you just have to take care of their three German shepherds. I know it's like this is an Angie thing.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:19)
⁓

my God, take me, I will love them.

JoJo (21:35)
It's not a JoJo thing with three German Shepherds, but...

Dr. Angie Krause (21:39)
Yeah, they're going to have your number and be like, this woman's scared of us.

JoJo (21:41)
⁓ yeah, but I was like, wouldn't

that be an interesting way to travel though? Because that's the biggest expense is the housing.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:46)
Yes, I would do that.

Well, and who more qualified than us as veterinary professionals?

JoJo (21:53)
I

know. Well, there are people in Costa Rica too that have an 18 year old dog and I'm like, I don't think I want to do that because that dog's going to die on my watch.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:03)
Yep, that's when they do die when you decide to go away. Yeah.

JoJo (22:06)
Exactly so stressful that you're leaving them and or

it could be that they're like hey, you're not here's I'm gonna exit

Dr. Angie Krause (22:13)
I'm gonna exit. Yes. So, that's amazing.

JoJo (22:14)
Yeah, so I don't know, that's what I'm doing.

I'm just exploring life right now in terms of, so I have time to read the studies. I don't have time. I should probably be taking classes. I should probably be doing my CE. I just keep bumping those.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:28)
What if you do your

CE on the airplane? Going wherever you're going. Yeah.

JoJo (22:31)
True Yeah, so

But in business like just here. I'm here Working trying to how do we get more people to find our site? When the world is changing in terms of it's not Google. It's now AI You guys being a small business is really challenging because it's always moving

Dr. Angie Krause (22:47)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Always moving. And we moved. And when we moved our site, we really lost a lot of our traffic, like a shocking amount of traffic. And so now we're rebuilding, but we're rebuilding a different landscape. So it's not what we did before that works. Yeah. We should ask AI. Yeah.

JoJo (23:05)
All right.

So visit boulderholisticvet.com if you've not been

before and poke around and give us feedback. There are these places that you can now hire people to give you feedback. So you just, can't remember what it's called, but you just, go to your site and then they come back with all the feedback of like what they loved and what they hated.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:15)
around. Yeah.

Yeah, I've done those before. Those are good. Yeah. But nothing better than to have feedback from people that love their pets and people that listen to our podcast. Your feedback is even more valuable because you are our people.

JoJo (23:27)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:39)
So, well, speaking of our website, if you wanna hang out with me and you want to talk about your dog or cat and you want me to give you a holistic plan, you can go to boulderholisticvet.com and click book a consultation and you can find some time on my calendar. I think I do have times open as of this recording date.

JoJo (23:40)
Okay.

I've given out a few links to people, so I have a feeling your next Friday is going to book up. and when this comes out, who knows? But if there's not a time, just reach out, because I'll call Dr. Angie, and she'll make it happen.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:05)
Okay, yeah. Okay, definitely. I know. If you see it.

Yes, we'll open up a time for you. thanks for listening. And we would love to hear what you want us to talk about, what you thought about this episode, and how you feel about your veterinarian and your truth about veterinary medicine. OK, bye.

JoJo (24:30)
Take care.