Dr. Angie Krause (00:00)
Welcome back to Tales of Truth where we tell the truth about veterinary medicine. I'm Dr. Angie. I'm a holistic veterinarian and this is Jojo, my co-host and veterinary nurse extraordinaire. And today we're doing some story time.

JoJo (00:16)
Yeah, let's do story time. Sometimes it's just fun to have fun, right? So we've both been practicing in some form or fashion for decades. And with that come stories. And so can I, I'm going to kick us off. Okay.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:20)
Yes. Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Totally.

Kick us off and then maybe I'll

think of stories that will be funny. Okay. Okay.

JoJo (00:37)
You'll think of stories, I'll ask you a question.

Okay, so you've been doing relief work. And relief work is when we just pick up shifts at clinics that need support. And so you're not tied to a schedule or anything. I did relief work when I lived in Texas. This is the way I was able to still be a parent to my kids, but also still, you know, practice some medicine. I had no idea what I was in for.

Dr. Angie Krause (00:45)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

no.

JoJo (01:06)
went to do, I was a surgery tech for a clinic and we got in and we were doing a whole bunch of neuters. And so they, you know, they're, taking the testicles and typically you would have a biohazard bag and like, where's your, where's your biohazard bag? And they're like, ⁓ honey, we don't, we don't have a biohazard bag. just throw those things on the end of fish in' poles

Dr. Angie Krause (01:22)
⁓ my god.

JoJo (01:30)
And that was my best Texan accent, but I was just like, okay, for real legit, that's probably not okay. Also totally okay, makes sense. So they just take their cat testicles, they take their cat testicles and fish with them.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:36)
Yeah.

I mean, it's recycle.

JoJo (01:47)
So that's a story that I had caught me off guard. felt like a fish out of water.

Dr. Angie Krause (01:47)
Yeah, I mean, it's resourceful.

Yes, totally. You're like, well, this is a different standard, but it's also so practical. And I feel like there's so much of veterinary medicine that's become less practical over the years. So, it's fair.

JoJo (01:57)
Yes.

It's fair.

I really have no judgment of it. I just felt really I actually felt dumb for asking for the biohazard bag It's just so not practical

Dr. Angie Krause (02:12)
Ahem.

You're like, this is how the city folk do it.

JoJo (02:20)
yeah, okay, so it gets one worse and I won't. Not at the same clinic, but at another relief clinic, which is not, I'm not really selling relief work right now because they were all sitting around talking about their family with benefits. And I said, certainly you mean friends with benefits. ⁓ no, family with benefits.

Dr. Angie Krause (02:22)
⁓ yeah.

I can sell it.

no. no. Was this in Texas?

JoJo (02:48)
Yeah, so I never really fit.

Yeah, I never really fit in. I don't have any family with benefits. Just for the record. I know and I tried to correct them and say you mean friends with benefits. no. No, no, Those were my two of my relief stories.

Dr. Angie Krause (02:56)
my gosh, we're definitely not selling Texas very well right now.

Okay.

I don't know if I have any funny stories. I've definitely had stories. I can think of some stories where I was wrong in the best way. Like I was two years out of school and a two-year-old dog came in and was limping. I took an x-ray, it the back end. I took an x-ray of this dog's leg and...

JoJo (03:11)
Okay, I'll keep the fun going. Yeah.

Mmm, tell me.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:33)
there was a lesion on the femur and I had the radiologist this was back okay so this was back in the day where you had like you developed your film like you went into the dark room and you developed it and then we had a radiologist that would come by and and she just happened to be there at the time and I was like okay

JoJo (03:44)
my favorite place. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (03:57)
will you look at this? And she's like, that's an osteosarcoma because it looked like the bone was like a starburst or whatever. She's like, that's an osteosarcoma. So I go back to this guy, like, I'm so sorry. This is an osteosarcoma. And if you want to figure out for sure that it is or, you know, whatever we need to do, you know, we should amputate your dog's leg. We talked about chemo. We talked about the prognosis of osteosarcoma, which at that time was very poor. It's definitely gotten a lot better with newer therapies, but

anyways, he's like, he's like, Dr. Krause my dog does not have osteosarcoma. And I was like, I think so though. think, I think your dog does have an osteosarcoma. And, he said, I will bet you a six pack of Coke.

JoJo (04:41)
Yay.

Dr. Angie Krause (04:42)
I'm like, all right. So we have the surgeon come in and take the leg off or come to take the leg off. And it turns out it is just fractured. It was just a fracture that healed like an osteosarcoma. I mean, it didn't heal like an osteosarcoma, but it radiographically, it looked like an osteosarcoma. And that was the best news I've ever told anyone. I was like, I was wrong and you were right.

JoJo (04:52)
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Dr. Angie Krause (05:07)
and I owe you a six pack of Coke because your dog does not have osteosarcoma. And what I loved about that story is one, the humanity I got to have as a doctor and this man was so lovely. And he, he wasn't mad at me. He wasn't like, he's like, I just know my dog doesn't have osteosarcoma. And he just knew, and he let me be the young doctor that I needed to be. Although

JoJo (05:09)
my gosh.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:34)
I would have still said the same thing, you know, 20 years in, as I did then, but it was like, I don't know. It was a nice moment as a veterinarian that one things aren't always what you think. and two, just the bond I got to have with that man and his dog. And I'll, I'll just never forget that story. Like, Oh, it's not an osteosarcoma. That's a great story.

JoJo (05:53)
That's a great story. And I'm glad

the dog kept its leg.

Dr. Angie Krause (05:58)
I think the dog kept its leg. Yeah. And I was like, ⁓ yeah. I learned a lot. I learned a lot.

JoJo (06:02)
Yeah. ⁓ goodness. Okay.

Yeah, those learning moments. But I love how you talked about the way we used to do x-rays. Because when I worked in oncology, I worked in Beverly Hills, which sounds fantastic, but it was not a nice, I mean, it was not a nice facility, what you would think of in Beverly Hills. But anyhow, that was my favorite job is to take the x-rays because then you go into the x-ray room to develop it and nobody can talk to you.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:29)
Yes.

JoJo (06:31)
There's like, like you're there.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:31)
No. No one can even open the door without ruining everything you're doing. Yeah.

JoJo (06:37)
Yeah, nothing. Like

if you're in that room, you're in that room. But I mean, I think about the number of chemicals that I probably exposed to, that and how many x-rays we had to take again and again. Because you don't, you know, like, I mean, people who are old enough to have developed their own film, when you would take it into Walgreens and find out, oh man, I got one out of 24. was decent. Yeah. So much better and easier now.

Dr. Angie Krause (06:42)
we were exposed to.

Right.

Yeah.

I forgot about that.

my gosh, it's so much better. Like now we take an x-ray and like within 10 seconds it's up and I'm, it's like up right next to the x-ray machine. The dog's still in place. We know if we need to take it again right then and there. So, and then I can email it to the radiologist and usually, you know, get a response in an hour if I really need it. So yeah.

JoJo (07:15)
Yeah, so much better.

Right?

So yeah, but

I did like being in that x-ray room, that little development room. It's just like, ⁓ it's dark and quiet and I was pretty good at x-rays.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:35)
Well, when I first got out

of school, I was developing dental x-rays.

JoJo (07:39)
was I? I feel like we must have. Because I got out of school before you did.

Dr. Angie Krause (07:42)
Yeah, unless like,

that's right. Cause you're older than me, right? I have a few years. Yeah. So.

JoJo (07:47)
huh. Yeah.

Okay. What else did I have on? mean, mine were all kind of funny stories that I thought about just being female in veterinary medicine. I was a surgical tech in Portland. And we would do surgery after surgery after surgery, like just back to back to back to back.

And there became a point where I became incontinent for just admitting things. And you can't leave surgery once you're scrubbed in.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:22)
Did you just pee your pants or what?

JoJo (08:23)
⁓ Uh-huh. That happened. I was so ashamed. I ha- Well, what else was there to do? There's nobody to step in for me. I'm all scrubbed in.

Dr. Angie Krause (08:27)
You should have to pee your pants. And pee your scrubs.

you were scrubbed in? Like a sistine? ⁓ no. That's when you need to wear diapers, I guess.

JoJo (08:35)
Totally yeah, I know

It crossed my mind it was a very funny thing going forward it's something I got made fun of For sure, but I mean I think it's just it was one of those days where I had surgery after surgery after surgery And I was the only surgical tech on

Dr. Angie Krause (08:43)
you

And there's no time. know there's a lot of times no time to pee in veterinary medicine.

JoJo (09:01)
There's just not

and just sometimes I don't think that our male counterparts have this issue. I feel like Well, because it's just a little harder for those of us who have birth babies

Dr. Angie Krause (09:08)
But they must, why would they not?

⁓ to not pee our pants.

JoJo (09:16)
Uh-huh. You know, I didn't ever do it again. I built in breaks for myself, but sometimes that's what it's like behind the curtain. If you just want to know the truth, it's just there's no break.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:20)
Right. You're like, I've...

my gosh.

No, I know. The days get really, really busy. I'm trying to think of any other funny stories. I know, I was gonna say that, but I was like, this is not mine to tell.

JoJo (09:33)
⁓ I did that with you though too.

I was like, wait, that's not a

true story. I did it again. That was not in surgery. That was, yeah. It's like, ⁓ no, it's now. Because we would go to people's houses and not all houses were suitable or welcoming to let us use the restroom.

Dr. Angie Krause (09:43)
walking down the street.

Right? And I think that house, like we were just so busy and I think we were a little bit in and out. We were running behind and my God, I remember watching you walk down the street towards the car and you're like, I'm peeing my pants.

JoJo (10:06)
Yeah

Yeah, it's like, I must maybe I should get this looked at. But it doesn't happen that often. So I must just push myself to their point of no return. Yeah, I remember. But I think that was that during COVID. That's why too. So I had plenty of change of clothes. So that was not a problem.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:19)
Ha!

It was during COVID. Because we didn't.

That's right. I do remember your change of clothes.

JoJo (10:31)
But house call vets don't always have access to bathrooms.

Dr. Angie Krause (10:35)
No, and it's hard because people are paying us to be there. And when you walk in and say, hey, can I use your bathroom? That's hard, especially that. I remember the client and I remember the pet. ⁓ And we had just met them and you don't always want to be like, hey, I got to pee. I use your bathroom? And especially in COVID, we were like really careful about what we touched.

JoJo (10:44)
Mm-hmm. me too.

Well,

and I didn't really want to be using other people's bathrooms during COVID. Like, I don't know.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:02)
Right, right. Because just even

using their hand towels, you're like, what if I get COVID from their hand towel? my gosh, you and I have done some pretty fun stuff. And when I say I use the word fun loosely. ⁓ But we have like chased cats from under beds, we've moved couches to get to cats, we've drawn blood in bathrooms behind toilets.

JoJo (11:06)
Yeah, always the hand house. ⁓

You've climbed up in tops of closets.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:31)
my gosh, I remember scaling the closet. Yes, used my closet. Yeah.

JoJo (11:35)
Yeah, like she's a rock climber. She's fine. She's

got this. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (11:40)
I was like stemming off of shelves and you're like, don't worry. I'm a climber and a veterinarian.

JoJo (11:46)
And

I'll just photograph it Yeah It is we have had a lot of those stories Man, I'm worried what I look like in this episode I pee my pants I do a terrible Texas accent and

Dr. Angie Krause (11:50)
Yeah, totally.

Yes.

I know and I've just misdiagnosed cancer. That's all I got. I need to find another story. I mean, I have some stories. I have some stories, but I mean, I guess I'll, okay, while we're storytelling.

JoJo (12:06)
⁓

Okay, because I'm like shaking now that I told everybody that I peed my pants twice. Not once, twice.

Dr. Angie Krause (12:18)
Okay.

We need to remove the episode we can but okay, so when I this is not a funny one. But when I was a baby vet, I worked in a clinic that had hired a nurse that no one did a background check on. And this nurse seemed really great and nice and was like really competent. One time I was by myself and I was working all these rooms and I couldn't find

my nurse because they were in the surgery suite huffing the isoflurane.

JoJo (12:57)
No, I

totally believe that

Dr. Angie Krause (13:01)
Yeah.

And I was like, and here I am. Like I'm what? Like I'm 20. I mean, I'm in my late 20s. I don't know. I'm, I'm a baby. I don't know what's going on. I'm just learning how to practice medicine and I'm alone. And so we call 911 and have an ambulance come. Cause like, I don't like, what do you do? I'm not a human doctor. I'm not going to like treat this person. That's against the law. so anyways, so we had to.

JoJo (13:16)
I don't know.

Wait,

did she function or he function well on ISO?

Dr. Angie Krause (13:29)
Well, like

kind of in between, but then they kept passing out in this surgery suite, huffing it. And so I had, so then we had to call the ambulance and then there were people waiting. And so I was like using our treatment area as an exam room because I was like, I can't, you know, I can't see, I can't have the clients see that my nurse is going away in an ambulance.

JoJo (13:35)
⁓ no!

my God.

for huffing ISO.

Dr. Angie Krause (13:58)
That was insane.

For a huffing ISO, like out of all the drugs to do in a clinic, that's not one of them. Like, ew. Yeah, like you have to be really wanting a high. Like that's not when you see veterinary professionals abusing.

JoJo (14:05)
Yeah, yuck. Ew. I know.

No, but I have had also an experience with a nurse that was using not ISO, but gosh, what did we use to prescribe to cats going home? Was it? Yeah, I thought it was, it came in tabs.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:19)
Ahem.

Buprenorphine.

Oh, tabs, no, that's not buprenorphine. Maybe tramadol? Would it have

JoJo (14:31)
Right. What would we send? It must have been,

⁓ it probably was tramadol, because we do a lot at a time. But we used to have a really good system in place where one tech, I was a licensed tech, so an assistant could do the prescription after surgery. So while I was in surgery, they would fill the prescription, and then I would go in and I would recount it. And then I would put it in the log book, and then I would put it in the patients to go package.

Dr. Angie Krause (14:46)
Mm-hmm.

JoJo (14:56)
So when I was going to check them out and lucky for us, we had cameras in this clinic lucky for me because I'm the last one to touch it and they were going missing. They were going missing and I look really guilty because I'm the last one to touch it, but I know I'm not using it and I'm not counting that poorly. So they watched the cameras and one of the other nurses was going in after I put them in the

Dr. Angie Krause (15:07)
Right.

JoJo (15:21)
packages to go out and stealing the tramadol and taking them right then.

Dr. Angie Krause (15:25)
and taking them like during work. my gosh. You know what? And we just did it. Yeah. ⁓ totally. Yeah. Can't do that kind of stuff.

JoJo (15:26)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. She did get fired immediately. Yeah. But thank God

for the cameras, because I was not know how to talk my way out of that one.

Dr. Angie Krause (15:37)
Yeah, you were going to take the fall for this other nurse. And this is why we can't have tramadol very much anymore. And this is why most clinics don't carry it. Now it's controlled because then it wasn't controlled. They scheduled it later because. you were having to log it. Okay. So it was after it was controlled. ⁓ I used, mean, I've never taken a tramadol personally, but I loved it for treatment. And maybe it's just because that's what I learned from, but like.

JoJo (15:39)
Yeah.

Mmm. No? Cause I was having to log it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:04)
Yeah, a lot of people were taking their dog's tram at all, guess, including veterinary nurses.

JoJo (16:09)
⁓

so you guys, it's so sad when you see this in practice when it's very obvious that I'm just going to go sad place people will harm their animals to get drugs. It does happen.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:13)
Yeah. It is.

Yes.

And usually we've, I just to say, just to give people some peace of mind, we know it, we report it. It doesn't keep going on. but yeah, we, it's obvious and then it gets reported and they put an end to that. Yeah.

JoJo (16:28)
Yep. Yep.

It's so, so, so sad. Probably

the saddest things I've ever seen when that happens. But the other drug on a lighter note that used to get stolen was ketamine.

Dr. Angie Krause (16:42)
Yes. Yep.

I think it still does. I, special K, when I'm the last one out at the clinic at night, I have, I say a little prayer as I lock up. And I, I'm usually practicing a very nice part of town, but I think, God, because here is the thing. I actually don't have access. Like I don't have a key to the controlled substances.

JoJo (16:51)
Special K.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:13)
because I'm always practicing with a nurse that does. And so we're still signing off, but I actually don't know how to get in. And so I'm always thinking as I'm locking up, I'm like, oh my gosh, if someone were to, you know, try to hold me up, like I actually wouldn't be able to get in. I would be very disappointing. I think it would be for the ketamine, because most clinics don't have fentanyl. I don't think we have a lot of stuff that people want.

JoJo (17:28)
And it would be for the ketamine.

they you don't do the fentanyl

patches anymore

Dr. Angie Krause (17:40)
We don't know, because I think it's like, puts you at such risk to get robbed.

JoJo (17:45)
because we always

used to sit at home in the fentanyl patches.

Dr. Angie Krause (17:47)
Yeah, I don't think that happens anymore. I mean, I the specialty clinics probably do, but no, we don't have any fentanyl patches. Thank God.

JoJo (17:56)
It's like, no,

ketamine is therapy in human medicine now. And I just can't, for the life of me, understand it because I've only seen it used for what we use it for. So I'm like, the idea to take that for PTSD or whatever people are using it for in therapeutic settings.

Dr. Angie Krause (18:01)
Yes!

Thank you for saying that because someone so I do EMDR for my PTSD. That's like my therapeutic modality of choice, like after the Marshall Fire you know, so when things like that happen, I use EMDR and someone's like, you should really try ketamine. And I was like, my gosh, as a veterinary professional, when I think of ketamine, all I can think of is like a husky recovering from anesthesia, like ketamine unopposed.

JoJo (18:17)
Okay.

You

Dr. Angie Krause (18:38)
is like, it sounds so uncomfortable. There's nothing relaxing or smooth. Now, I don't know what it's actually like, because I've never taken ketamine, but veterinary professionals do not associate ketamine with like, fluffy. No. No, no, no, no. No, no, Yeah. But I mean, apparently at the right dose, it's smooth or whatever, but still, I think because I have that feeling, I would have to be desperate.

JoJo (18:48)
No, I can't get behind it. I'm just like, ⁓ no, no. How is that being used?

Yeah, it's not gonna be the thing that I use in therapy. I was like, you guys.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:06)
to use Ketamine.

But if you're a therapist that's

using it, tell us why we're wrong. It's not that we don't support you.

JoJo (19:15)
I know

people who are using it and they say it's fantastic, I just am like, no thank you, pass. And I'm not opposed to using interventions like that.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:22)
No.

Well, we've started using ketamine for pain management. And so I'll do ketamine injections where you just do sub-Q ketamine by itself. Obviously it's not like, so in veterinary medicine, we've been using ketamine to induce anesthesia. So it's as an induction agent. So we're using bigger doses, IV. And so this is sub-Q and it seems to work for days and days. So.

JoJo (19:36)
Mm.

Yeah, I'm not. don't think I am. No. Okay, let's see. Let's end on one thing.

Dr. Angie Krause (19:52)
You're like, still, not doing it.

Okay.

JoJo (20:01)
And I don't have my answer to this. Maybe I do. I'll ask you anyhow. Is there a moment that you have felt like a fraud or like, like you just don't? Frauds maybe, like imposter syndrome, does that exist for you?

Dr. Angie Krause (20:13)
Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. All the time. I mean, not all the time. It was definitely more when I started. remember. So, okay. So I have a friend, Rachel, who used to work for her. I would call Rachel and I'd be like, Rachel, why does anyone trust me to take care of their animal? Cause like I had just gotten out of school. so that I definitely had that.

JoJo (20:15)
You

Dr. Angie Krause (20:35)
Oh, yeah, sometimes I still have that or I'm like, wait, why don't you know that or like I'll miss something or it's really obvious to someone else. Yeah, that happens all the time because like I'm just a person. And there's a running list in my head of things that I've never like procedures I've never done or surgeries I've never done that I think, oh, you're a fraud.

JoJo (20:49)
Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:01)
What if someone finds out you've never done that, even though I never needed the reason why I haven't done it is because I haven't needed to do it. But I do have some insecurity about that. Yeah.

JoJo (21:08)
right?

Yeah, as you were saying it, I'm like, of course I do. Mine is different. When I was fresh out of school, I felt invincible. Like, oh yeah, like, I'll try it. You want a bone marrow sample? Sure. Like I got that. Like, yeah, no problem. You want me to inject, you know, chemotherapy agents? Sure. Like no problem. Now I feel more so as I get older.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:13)
What about you?

yeah. Okay, got this.

Yeah.

JoJo (21:37)
I feel like it feels like an impossible task to keep up with everything new. And so I often, and as I get older, it's harder to pronounce things that were like, I used to just be able to read any drug and be like, oh yeah, this is how you say it. Now all of a sudden I'm like sounding out the syllables. It's just something with getting older. So yeah, I feel like a fraud.

Dr. Angie Krause (21:42)
Mm-hmm.

Hahaha

It's not, it's the drug names are getting harder. I think they are. No, I think they are.

JoJo (21:58)
No. Okay.

But I used to pride myself on like, yeah, I could do any of them. No problem. And now it's just what the heck? Like sometimes even on this podcast? Yes. On this podcast, sometimes it feels like what am I? What am I offering? Do I really have some things? You know, that moment that? Yeah, of course it exists. Yeah.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:06)
right.

Totally.

Yes.

Yeah, because we're just people.

We're just humans. We have a ton of experience. But at the end of the day, I mean, I worry about this podcast uncovering things that I am incorrect about. And I think what I've had to do over time is just be like, well, if some, you know, someone's going to like stitch me online and be like, what an idiot. And I might be.

JoJo (22:40)
⁓ I'm worried about that for you too, because I'm just putting

out clips of you, you know, right? And out of context? Yeah, sure.

Dr. Angie Krause (22:47)
Yeah.

I know out

of context, a lot of those clips, I'm like, but it's okay. It's okay because you know, you've got to, you know, we've, we've got to do what we're doing. But yeah, no, I worry about that all the time. So if you're going to stitch me, be nice.

JoJo (22:53)
Ha ha ha.

⁓

yeah, mean, okay, well so far nobody's called you fraudulent and nobody said that you don't know what the heck you're talking about. They've just told us that we're and juvenile, which you guys, by the way, the intention of this is to be light.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:15)
No.

Mm-hmm. That's OK.

Right. This is not

like we're not trying to get into the science of anything so deeply. Someone told us that we were like middle schoolers, which, you know, I think is a compliment in the sense that like, okay, if I can bring this information to you at a middle school level, then I'm doing a really good job. So.

JoJo (23:31)
Right.

Yeah, I was happy

that I didn't feel pricked by that. In fact, I was like, good, we're keeping it light. That's the goal, to keep it light. Someone said we're too chatty.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:50)
keeping up.

Well, it's our podcast.

JoJo (23:54)
So they're love this episode.

Anyhow, that's what we're here for. Thanks for playing along. God, now I'm totally exposed.

Dr. Angie Krause (23:59)
Okay.

Yeah, I loved it.

I know you'll have to decide if you even want to release this episode. Okay. Twice.

JoJo (24:07)
I don't care. I peed my pants. I peed my pants. Why?

Because I'm such a hard worker. That is what that's about.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:14)
It's true.

Yeah, you are. You're amazing.

JoJo (24:18)
I got so much grit that I'm gonna care for your cat and dog with my pants wet. Okay, well, what are we offering the people today? You really should come to our website.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:23)
Okay.

I mean, they should come to our website. We just redid it.

We just redid it. We're so proud of it. Tell us what you think of it. You can get an online course for free by using the code truth tails Wait, is that the code?

JoJo (24:38)
Yeah. Yeah,

it's almost a year in. Angie's going to learn it.

Dr. Angie Krause (24:42)
One day. I have to ask her every time. that right? Is that right? Yeah. 95 % the time. So go to our website and then leave us a message nicely. We were vulnerable. So be nice in your message, but we'll see you next time. we'll next episode. We'll probably talk about something more medical, but this was just fun.

JoJo (24:44)
Yeah, and you get it right 95 % of time.

Oh yeah, it's nice to throw a fun one in every now and again. Okay, take care. Bye bye.

Dr. Angie Krause (25:04)
Okay, bye.